Markus Wolf and Michael Sartain go head to head in an insane and chaotic heated debate between cold approach and social circle game. Lots of shouting, laughing, crazy moments. Almost as stressful as watching Uncut Gems. Even Dan Bilzerian joined the call, however this had to be taken out of the recording due to privacy.
Moderator (Until letting the chaos unfold):
Ice White (@GameGlobalOfficial)
Cold Approach Team:
Markus Wolf (@UltimateManProject)
Hamza Hitch
Brandon Gregurovic (@BrandonJesse_unloaded)
Jesse Flores (Brandon & Jesse Unloaded)
Social Circle Team:
@MichaelSartain (Men Of Action)
Miguel Colon (Men Of Action)
Dan Bilzerian (Ignite)
Men Of Action Students
If you’re interested in joining Michael Sartain’s Men Of Action:
00:00 Preview
00:26 Cold Approach VS Social Circle Game
10:48 Dan Bilzerian Joins (Cut Out)
12:15 What’s Better For Beginners?
13:00 Pickup Artist Bootcamps
15:17 Defining Social Circle Game
17:45 Social Circle Game In Message Game
22:54 Message Game Is Separate From Social Circle Game
24:47 Moving From Cold Approach To Social Circle Game
29:13 Eliminating Message Game From The Debate
29:46 Cold Approach As A Foundation
31:48 Compliance
33:10 Moderator Steps In
33:54 Social Circle Game For Beginners
44:14 Men Of Action Students
51:00 Dan Bilzerian Cold Approaching
52:16 Preselection VS Bragging VS DHV
53:13 MADNESS BEGINS: Pulling A Girl’s Hair
56:50 Markus Wolf UNINTERRUPTED
1:00:18 Things That Aren’t Exclusive To Social Circle Game
1:18:24 Michael Challenges Markus To Hair Pulling In The Club
1:23:13 Cold Approach Results VS Social Circle Game Results
1:35:52 Cold Approach Goal
1:45:53 Friendzoning Girls
1:49:53 Cold Approach To Build A Social Circle
1:55:50 Outcome Independence
2:00:54 Surrounding Yourself With Women
2:04:44 Attribution Bias
2:08:12 Optimizing Opportunity
2:13:28 Where To Find Debaters
2:14:55 Final Comments
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@GameGlobalOfficial
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DonJuanplagueis Zero
16.10.2023Next time let’s see a live debate.
Paradonyx
16.10.2023Day 1 of asking to do a debate panel with Justin Marc and Michael Sartain
jmx-media
16.10.2023Michael cleans up easily, I know because ive done both and I’ve gotten 10x results with social circle
Bill Usher
16.10.2023Didn’t they just do this on playing with fire?
SGS
15.10.2023My take: In the previous debate it was a great convo, but they talked past each other.
Social circle is by far the top tier in scalability and success rate.
However, by it’s nature guys have to be very socially savvy, have or at least display high SMV and be level-headed enough to be friends with hot women without being in PUA mode. That’ll work for a guy like Mike or someone with at least moderate success with women, but tough for say the hardcase guy still working to have his first girlfriend.
Philosophy fan
15.10.2023So sartains method is get a newbie with no pua skill, ask him to message girls to go to a bikini event with him and hope for the best? 😂 wtf
Intheair
15.10.2023Michael Sartain's idea of a 10 😅😪🤪🤮🤢…. wouldn't even smash if she paid me!
Tommy Gallagher
15.10.2023Sartain shilling again
Wei Dai
15.10.2023I know a couple students of social circles. Been doing it for more than a year and still have not hooked up with a single girl from it yet.
Brecht
15.10.2023This is good.
kafgen
15.10.2023The three guys from MOA are NOT newbies. Not the newbies that are uncalibrated, virgins, and are socially awkward.
The Male Role Model
15.10.2023This was so frustrating to watch. Love to talk some sense into these 💨
James O
15.10.2023Markus wolf bailed out on a pua challenge with black piller on playing with fire channl? Him and his coaches bailed out to be more specific when they claimed they would easily win. I wouldn't take their pua skills too seriously.
Bill Usher
15.10.2023I’d like to see a natural vs structured game debate
Juan Garcia
14.10.2023Have had some fun times in that room Miguel is sitting in😝… through social circle🤫
Bill Usher
14.10.2023Limit debates to 4 people at most with more moderation, this is too chaotic
Bill Usher
14.10.20231:14:55 “women do not sleep with you because of your intent”
I’m pretty sure studies have found men showing interest can make a woman aroused, and mirror neurons can also cause a woman to be aroused by a man himself being turned on, which is intent related.
Paradonyx
14.10.2023Finished the video. Michaels Sartain still wins the debates. Cold approach coaches/guys can't break his frame or beat him in these debates. Michael is always showing proof while the other guys don't. Even in cold approach you still need a good Instagram to close and they don't have any Instagram client evidence like Sartain does.
Joe Elvin
14.10.2023The cold approach guys were doing so well. Then, it turned into hair-pulling vs social circle haha.
A couple of key points from the cold approach guys that weren't addressed (I don't think)
* It's possible to create a social-proofed Instagram without the stress and effort of inviting 100 girls to a party.
*If a guy is at the club with 5 female friends, he'll still need basic seduction skills to seal the deal.
My main concern with social circle game is the amount of effort and hassle that seems to be involved.
I've thrown parties using social circle game – and ultimately, I still only get laid with one hottie at the end of the night, which is the same result I'd usually get from a date or going to the club solo.
I understand the argument of getting ‘9s and 10s’ from Babes in Toyland or the DJ booth with Diplo, but how much work is needed to get there? I’d like to learn more about that.
For now, I say learn some basic seduction skills by practicing cold-approach first. Then, if you want to go through the effort of building some huge social circle, go ahead and do that.
Ashley
14.10.2023Michael was being condascending and laughing.Trying to take extremist tactics like hair pulling.
Markus remained calm and pretty much proved by his calm demeanour exactly why you need cold approach.
GameChanger66
14.10.2023This was the best debate in the history of the internet.
YOMOMOMAMA
14.10.2023just pay 20k to sartain, he'll teach how to host a bikini competition. nah im good
GameChanger66
14.10.2023Cold approach guys will die defending day game over social circle game. They are suffering from "The sunk cost effect" especially Hamza "Hitch" .